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Tell HN: The saddest irony of my/our craft
18 points by dakiol 1 day ago | 12 comments
So I wouldn't mind to lose my job for almost any other reason. Bad market, company pivot, even my own stupid mistakes... fine, thats life. But losing it because of the love I put in my open source projects? C'mon man, that one really pisses me off. I had side projects on weekends just for fun like everyone else, stack overflow answers at 2am for strangers I never gonna meet, and repos nobody paid me for..

Honestly that kinda of culture was the best thing about being a dev and now it became the training set. I hate how openai/google/anthropic/etc scraped it all, learned from it, and now they sell our love back to us as a product. Sure, I get it, it's capitalism, whatever, but I feel like the biggest fool out there. I guess I just have to accept it, put my head down and keep going. There's one thing I dislike most though: the people around here that glorify AI/LLMs. It's just a matter of time until the higher ups normalize reducing even more headcount because of AI, 90% of us will be affected. Not everything is about the technical details people!



Same here, but with free information. I trained the Google AI overviews that are killing my website and the internet in general.

I sometimes wake up so angry about it, but what can we do?


The problem is not the AI/LLMs technologies. It is the greed. Earn more money, and the money to be more important than the people. It is not a capitalism thing. It is bad culture, attitude, and egoism, IMHO.

:-) same thing happened when computer arrived and don't know why this quote stayed with me.

"Either you're part of the steamroller or you're part of the road."

If not AI then something else would have been there to disrupt.

Cheers


Not sure if it was the intent, but this is a rather grating and shallow reply. Is that unattributed "quote" meant to be an appeal to inevitability?

If so, I'd just like to point out that none of this is inevitable, and the argument of "If I don't do it, someone else will" is a lazy excuse for abdication of social responsibility and the common good, a textbook race-to-the-bottom mentality. It's possible for a critical mass of individuals behaving ethically to prevent the "someone else" from taking actions that are harmful to society overall in the name of "disruption", as much as those bad actors would try to convince us otherwise.


Things ebb and flow don’t be so attached

I am curious like, what are we going to do about it?

How do we stop them?

We can make an open letter to the AI labs and the employees (they can be anonymous confirmed signatories of course) so that they can reconsider their business models.


I think the only _real_ power we have, as consumers (not employees) is to not use or pay for such tools/services. If you can, pay for tools/services that value the opposite. That's what I do, at least.

But don't the businesses pay for the tools/services?

I'm thinking of ways how we can stop them


> I'm thinking of ways how we can stop them

Going in with an adversarial approach is just going to end up in conflict and burned bridges. You want to get a deeper understanding on why everyone is doing what they are doing, then help people find a path forward that meeting their goals in a healthy way.

If LLM vendors are doing it for the money, you need to show your employers that following the AI vendors' leads doesn't help the company, it just sends their revenue to vendors. You need to show how to achieve the same business results without using the AI tools.

And that is possible - I'm a consultant, and all the AI-First companies I've worked with have some truly awful results going on internally. Their metrics looks good, they are delivering code, even delivering and selling new features and products. But they are also piling up internal tensions and debt that are going to invoke a huge cost some day in the future. If you can show them those tensions and costs, you can change how they operate.


As I see it, there's no incentive to find a better path forward. We're in the age of "good enough". It doesn't even need to actually be any good, just "good enough". Tensions are rising and technical debt is sky high. Thing is, as long as the money keeps on pouring, there's no incentive to solve any of that. With AI taking over most of trivial programming tasks, and the current downsizing trend, even if the last few reasonable people in a company finally get fed up and leave, there's plenty of meat for the grinder.

Indeed. Remember also that as an employee the power dynamic doesn't work in your favor for "stopping" anything.

As a consultant it isn't as skewed, but still a little bit. In any case, what codingdave said is spot on.


Just like in the Age of Electricity, the Age of Steam, and the Internet Age, there will always be people like you who complain.